jqpabc123 7 hours ago

The USA can't win a trade war with China.

It's too late and our politically motivated leadership is only making the issue worse.

Everything the USA is suppressing, China is promoting. For example, education and renewable energy.

The USA is investing heavily in AI but divesting in the cheap energy it needs to become viable.

Strategy wise, it makes no sense --- mostly due to political influence from vested interests.

  • phendrenad2 3 hours ago

    Well, the good news is, Trump has been trying to expand nuclear in the US. Nuclear is so much better than solar, it's not even funny. Solar is going to be remembered as the "also ran" of the 21st century that people tried to use because they were too afraid of nuclear (unjustifiably).

v-w-v-w 6 hours ago

They should have been already. I expect China to completely decimate all US legacy automotive brands as electric becomes the dominate car technology unless they somehow step it up big time. Tesla has a chance, Rivian and the other smaller electric brands have a chance, but I’m not optimistic. China is pulling away in battery technology and cost efficiencies.

If they try to rely on protectionism and tarrifs, it will fail. Consumers will demand access to superior products.

silexia 4 hours ago

We MUST have high tariffs to protect and rebuild our manufacturing industries and agricultural industry. China can cut us off at any time and it is a major national security threat to be solely dependent on an evil dictatorship using slave labor and insanely bad environmental practices.

constantcrying 6 hours ago

The entire west seems delusional about China.

No, western executives aren't shaken by visiting China. Most major car manufacturers build cars in China, the Chinese learned how to build cars from them. The Chinese did not discover some magic way to build cars better than everyone else.

What China does is relentlessly improve. It absolutely has the goal to be totally dominant in all areas of manufacturing. They do this by delivering the highest value product they can. Optimizing production and focusing on their customers.

In the US mechanical and manufacturing engineers are a small niche. Compared to Software they are badly paid, get less benefits (e.g. remote work) and have few promising or ground breaking companies to work for. That is what should be terrifying to everyone. America has no engineering culture and has no manufacturing culture. Pretending otherwise is just deluding oneself.

Here in Germany that manufacturing culture is dying. There are still new engineers, but companies, especially automotive, have stopped hiring and are cutting jobs.

China is in it to win. The west has not even decided that they want to compete. The US is focusing on Software above everything else. Germany is abandoning manufacturing for an uncertain alternative.

  • Amezarak 6 hours ago

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/USINFO

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/manemp

    The US manufacturing sector employs 10x more people than the US information sector.

    • constantcrying 6 hours ago

      Why would this matter at all?

      Almost every single thing you own was manufactured in China. Almost nothing you own is manufactured in America. The US car industry only exists because the US has banned the Chinese competition.

      China has 10x the employees in manufacturing. If you remove the areas where Chinese competition is banned, cars and defense, the lead will be even more enormous. Actually look at what part of the US economy is manufacturing. The US is not manufacturing "even though" 1/30 the of the population works in manufacturing.

      Also compare the jobs. In Software basically every job is a high paying middle class existence. In manufacturing basically every job is lower class. Studying mechanical engineering in the US is choosing to be a looser.

      • Amezarak 2 hours ago

        > Why would this matter at all?

        You suggested that it’s a small niche and that the US is focusing entirely on software. That’s obviously not true. It “feels” true because of where the hype is at and because we’re on HN.

        > China has 10x the employees in manufacturing

        They also have more than a billion more people, about 4x the population.

        > Studying mechanical engineering in the US is choosing to be a looser.

        I don’t think that’s true but it is true the demand is not as high. Are salaries much higher in China? Of course it’s also true that outside of SF, tech salaries are not impressive. The median salaries are 103k and 138k, for mechanical engineers and software developers respectively, according to the BLS, not really a class difference.