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If you're creative, you're motivated, if you're motivated you'll describe precisely what you want, if you'll take the time to describe precisely what you want, the most efficient way to do it is to describe it using code, if you've described it using code, you've got what you want.
it's honestly be best hack for using llms, just write precisely what you want in the language you want it in, and the response is instant and perfect every time.
Why not keep going and write the assembly to truly get the performance you could eek out! Who needs increased efficiency through layers of abstraction :p
You forgot to include some vulnerabilities. It just doesn't feel complete to me.
Jokes aside, I'm not mentioning who, but right on the front page of a popular vibe coding platform you can see a bunch of promoted real-world projects and almost all of them have some gaping security hole - and I'm not referring to the click-jacking kind.
I had been thinking about things along those lines. I might do that as a separate site. Perhaps with regular resets, and with something to keep 4chan out.
Your comment makes me wonder. Probably lots of 2013 websites in the training data.
Also makes me wonder... will self-driving car training data be less and less based on human driving, and more based on how all the other self-driving cars behave?
All modern show hn / hn 2025 batch SaaS sites also look exactly alike, and people say often 'i really like your design! What design? Its just every framer.com template and the dashboard like every SaaS starter out there. Fine with me, I like uniformity but let's not act as if now is different than 2013.
You really bury the lede that this software runs a DHCP server. Folks could really mess up their network running it on their local machine, you should add a warning somewhere. How does it determine the default gateway or DNS to advertise?
It’s not a DHCP server the way you’re thinking. Pxehost only replies with a couple fields for PXE boot, and only to clients that are declaring themselves as PXE boot client. It doesn’t interfere with the normal dhcp server - the PXE client will get 2 broadcast replies, one from pxehost and one from the dhcp server, and will combine the info
Even with something like proxy DHCP, you shouldn't have easy to follow instructions for folks to fire up a DHCP server without a warning, IMO. It's just polite to your fellow network admins.
If you know anything about PXE booting then you'll know it needs DHCP. I think it's fine, it's a pretty niche technology. You aren't likely to to find someone downloading it who doesn't know what they're setting up.
These alleged vibe coded websites look identical to all the tech startup websites of the 2010s. Hmm I wonder where the LLM got the idea to make all websites look this way.
The LLM does seem to default to a certain style. I made an “improvisational web server” that plans and generates a site based on a path, but after hosting it and looking at a few hundred generated sites, they all kind of look the same. Which I guess is expected? But it will be interesting to see if human designers take pains to differentiate.
I had a play with this and you’re right, it does have a style, but first: this is awesome, and good fun, well done!
I think the system prompt or training data probably focuses on marketing websites, it didnt manage to make a settings page or a canvas game, but did make a site telling me how to make a canvas game :)
How does it interpolate the path to make the prompt? (Havent checked the code yet…)
Interpolation happens in two steps. First, there's a prompt for an outline (below). Then, a prompt with the same construction rules but says like "given the outline..." and puts the outline into the context.
You are a professional web designer. Create a concise outline in markdown format of a site for the topic "{{slug}}".
Construction rules:
- Do **not** reference any external resources (fonts, CDNs, embeds, etc.).
- No JavaScript or SVG.
- All images must be JPG.
- All <img> tags must have a width and height.
- In CSS any image use must include object-fit: cover.
- All links must be relative to the root and be a long, descriptive slug of the content (like company-owner-with-hat.jpg
or goat-facts-continued.html).
- The site must display well on both desktop and mobile devices.
- Never use position: sticky;
The outline should include the following sections:
- **Site Name And Paragraph Summary** - a short description of the site and its purpose
- **Style guide** – typography (built-in font classes only), spacing, imagery tone, theme
- **Color scheme** – primary, secondary, accent, neutrals (name + hex)
- **Layout** – grid/flex description, breakpoints, reusable components
- **Site map** – unordered list of important pages with slug filenames
- **Key features** – bullet list
- **Reusable CSS/HTML snippet** – fenced code blocks showing the skeleton for nav, hero, article, and footer
Write clearly enough that different teammates could each build a page and the finished site will remain cohesive and
on-brand.Make sure you capture the essence of the topic in the design, be creative!
Why should people need to understand the markup and JS for a generated static brochure page? That's the premise of this page.
I do, for my pages. But when I write a Word document, I have absolutely no fucking clue what any of the underlying formatting code means. I feel like people forget that for ordinary desktop publishing, HTML/JS is a gigantic step backwards. Getting us back to the status quo of the 1990s, whether it's LLMs or Weebly, would be a very good thing.
Like, I genuinely believe that if we had the developer culture 1991 that we do now in 2025, people would be saying the same thing about Word. Hell, people absolutely do say that about Word. It's just gatekeeping.
Gatekeeping of what? That a service that costs them cents is sold as a subscription model that gets really expensive if you need more than the absolute basics? I am glad LLMs will kill companies like that.
Its ok but i'd be more convinced if instead of real icons it had hallucinated+bespoke SVGs that made me uncomfortable to look at for reasons I can't discern and don't quite look like anything in particular
I run a design agency and I've invested a lot of time and energy into a general design prompt that puts out some decently unique looking sites.
We offer this as our "Mini" package at a very affordable price ($99/mo, no setup fee) for clients who don't want (or need) a fully custom design.
I'm not sure you can call this "vibe coding" as much as "vibe engineering" because the resulting code closely models the heavily customized components and styling patterns of our other 60+ custom websites, but the following website designs were very heavily "vibe-derived", from a design sense:
i hate when a midsize restaurant doesn't even have a website, let alone so many don't have uptodate menu... and i understand, when simple websites are priced >5k upfront, that those restaurants don't do it ; vibe-derived could hopefully be a fair-priced solution
Yep! I built the whole business around slightly higher monthly fees with no (or much lower than typical firms) setup fees. It makes a lot more sense for smaller locally owned businesses.
The whole thrust of anti-vibe UI sentiments remind me of when Twitter Bootstrap came out. The unlocks were huge because suddenly people who didn't know how to make nice looking UI didn't have to do much more than drop in a stylesheet link and add some classes. Despite that, everyone complained all web sites started looking the same.
And, sure, that was valid. However, eventually everyone started figuring out how to get a unique look out of Bootstrap while still enjoying the benefits. All our modern frontend component frameworks can trace their lineage back to Bootstrap.
We'll see something similar with vibe UIs. Just a matter of time.
It's funny and this timing is perfect - just today two (mostly non-technical) friends, unprompted, sent me two different "projects" they just launched. Both have the same identical and unmistakable AI design with pills and tags and highlights and icons and all that. Both are bland, don't really offer anything deeply novel, but are unmistakably real and perhaps even usable.
On the one hand - I'm actually psyched that mostly nontechnical people have successfully launched their ideas into the world. This would have eaten up time and at least several $thousand previously.
On the other hand, they are both super blah projects.
Date I say it: The AI Slop Web App era has arrived in full force.
It's like how people who say they want to write a book spend all their time on the cover and the page and chapter heading layout before they put any effort into the manuscript.
Is the issue that all vibe-coded sites look the same, or that everyone uses the same Bootstrap or Material components? This site does indeed look like every other vibe-coded site, but so does any site using the same component libraries.
These are the style of sites LLMs create when you ask not to use any component libraries.
For some reason they gravitate to this style (and chern out reams of slop CSS to get there).
They really don't like the current trend of large hero graphics across the page so, as others have said, it feels like they're stuck in the last decade.
On the plus site, maybe websites will get faster when they're not weighted down with megabytes of component and JS libraries.
A lot of houses also look the same, but different people live in them. Makes you appreciate the designs that are truly unique, or contemporary, or classic, but most people would rather have any house versus none at all. So to me if a person vibe codes a web site that they otherwise don’t have the time or money to create and the website serves a purpose or brings joy, then cool.
The best designed sites I use are those cookie-cutter illegal sports steaming sites because their design is so similar I can navigate them all the same way.
The example you gave is the exception, not the rule. Sharing UX among these streaming sites is expected because they're completely replaceable, and you expect to churn through them as they shut down and pop up again somewhere else. Why would any of them want to change anything up if it might disappear in a week?
People like unique designs because those designs (ideally) exist to cater to the ever-so-slightly different needs, different things that different websites are meant to convey or do. It's not just about being pretty or looking not like everyone else, though some users and designers can mistake it for that.
Even something like video streaming can have lots of variations because there's so many different types of video content to serve. Optimizing for these needs will require making design choices, which will eventually compound in a unique UX. I enjoy websites that are fine-tuned for serving their purpose, and that manage to do so in a simple and performant way. Generic boilerplate designs can work fine on most 'average' websites, but going further requires putting more thought into it.
The website doesn't seem to be created by the same person who submitted the post. The creator is making updates and replying to people about them in this thread.
I mean the joke should be that this actually the best website design because this is basically where response design peaked.
Convince me a human can actually do better than this. It’s unclear what more is actually required from a website other than this. They point out things like not understanding authentication is bad, but at least the AI won’t develop a fundamentally incorrect idea about it like a human would.
Nobody ever got fired for checking ChatGPT for something that they didn’t know, but plenty of people without it have just made mistakes carefully read documentation and misinterpreting it.
What? This style of site uses 1/3 of the page to display 3 icons. It was definitely a trend, but sites used to contain better information density prior to this marketing style trash site.
I've vibe-coded a website about vibe coding websites. I used GPT-5 and it inserted an easter egg that was found by a human front-end dev, to my amusement. Easter eggs must be in-distribution!
(No I am not sharing the link as I was downvoted for it before - search for it. Hint: built with vibe)
Author here. It is. Almost one-shotted, in fact. In follow up, I just asked it to add the byline and to add more gradients. 85% the same as the initial one-shot.
I gave it dagusa.com as a reference, which helped a lot, but also gave it a bit of a Bootstrap feel.
Someone didn't live through peak Bootstrap and it shows. :p What's old is new again.
(also I think you can get far more variety from LLM-designed website with just a tiny bit of inspiration in your prompts)
If you're creative, you're motivated, if you're motivated you'll describe precisely what you want, if you'll take the time to describe precisely what you want, the most efficient way to do it is to describe it using code, if you've described it using code, you've got what you want.
it's honestly be best hack for using llms, just write precisely what you want in the language you want it in, and the response is instant and perfect every time.
Why not keep going and write the assembly to truly get the performance you could eek out! Who needs increased efficiency through layers of abstraction :p
"Bootstrap me a website with Tailwind, but make it look like bootstrap actually"
"Knockout a React site."
You forgot to include some vulnerabilities. It just doesn't feel complete to me.
Jokes aside, I'm not mentioning who, but right on the front page of a popular vibe coding platform you can see a bunch of promoted real-world projects and almost all of them have some gaping security hole - and I'm not referring to the click-jacking kind.
Okay, added. https://vibe-coded.lol/#security
I think it shows me my old password, where do I update it?
Why is my password the same across different browsers? Don't you know that I rotate my passwords you insensitive clod?
/s
(Would it be too much to have a randomized password generated for each session/cookie?)
Also, kudos to you on the (realisticly accurate) advertising consent form!
Claude made it. The prompt was
And that was it.Still happy to take credit.
You got me with Reject All (sell my soul anyway)
Real AI integration would update this website live from HN comments.
I had been thinking about things along those lines. I might do that as a separate site. Perhaps with regular resets, and with something to keep 4chan out.
Guardrails are for luddites, the power to the people!
FTFY - you insensitive claude
Are LLM’s capable of time travel because it looks it also created all these cookie cutter websites in 2013
Your comment makes me wonder. Probably lots of 2013 websites in the training data.
Also makes me wonder... will self-driving car training data be less and less based on human driving, and more based on how all the other self-driving cars behave?
Or will they randomly drive 10mph under the speed limit, with the turn signal left pm for 10 miles, because an email was received?
The only self-driving car out there imitating humans is the Tesla one... and you can check how well it's doing.
Cars have a clear goal that one can test for.
model to model is a pretty normal training method right now, but can result in this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_collapse
All modern show hn / hn 2025 batch SaaS sites also look exactly alike, and people say often 'i really like your design! What design? Its just every framer.com template and the dashboard like every SaaS starter out there. Fine with me, I like uniformity but let's not act as if now is different than 2013.
Precisely. I don't know why the creator of this site is trashing LLMs and not the generic slop the LLMs were trained on to begin with.
It reminded me of every web dev who was too lazy to design their own portfolio page and just used the same template every other person.
I vibe coded the site for pxehost - https://pxehost.com
The text content is largely hand written but the style/structures/etc are vibes.
Codex CLI on the $20 plus plan
The first shot was remarkably similar to the end result, but there was lots of tweaking and testing.
That looks great for presumably a couple of hours of work, and it showcases pxehost pretty well.
You really bury the lede that this software runs a DHCP server. Folks could really mess up their network running it on their local machine, you should add a warning somewhere. How does it determine the default gateway or DNS to advertise?
It’s not a DHCP server the way you’re thinking. Pxehost only replies with a couple fields for PXE boot, and only to clients that are declaring themselves as PXE boot client. It doesn’t interfere with the normal dhcp server - the PXE client will get 2 broadcast replies, one from pxehost and one from the dhcp server, and will combine the info
Even with something like proxy DHCP, you shouldn't have easy to follow instructions for folks to fire up a DHCP server without a warning, IMO. It's just polite to your fellow network admins.
If you know anything about PXE booting then you'll know it needs DHCP. I think it's fine, it's a pretty niche technology. You aren't likely to to find someone downloading it who doesn't know what they're setting up.
Honestly that's a great case for vibe coding, getting a splash page for a project that's not a website.
These alleged vibe coded websites look identical to all the tech startup websites of the 2010s. Hmm I wonder where the LLM got the idea to make all websites look this way.
The hunter2 joke makes me miss bash.org again
No proper parody of an LLM-autocompleted website is complete without a bunch if broken or misdirected links.
About us:
Some blurb about how we are passionate a about startups, love our customers etc. No business name, human names or contact info though.
https://vibe-coded.lol/#about
It was actually always there; you just missed it. Claude is so smart that it both predicted this comment and linked to it before you made it.
You're absolutely right. https://vibe-coded.lol/#broken-links
The LLM does seem to default to a certain style. I made an “improvisational web server” that plans and generates a site based on a path, but after hosting it and looking at a few hundred generated sites, they all kind of look the same. Which I guess is expected? But it will be interesting to see if human designers take pains to differentiate.
https://github.com/jasonthorsness/ginprov
https://ginprov.com
I had a play with this and you’re right, it does have a style, but first: this is awesome, and good fun, well done!
I think the system prompt or training data probably focuses on marketing websites, it didnt manage to make a settings page or a canvas game, but did make a site telling me how to make a canvas game :)
How does it interpolate the path to make the prompt? (Havent checked the code yet…)
Thanks! This is my favorite someone made: https://ginprov.com/a-dating-site-for-gnomes/
Interpolation happens in two steps. First, there's a prompt for an outline (below). Then, a prompt with the same construction rules but says like "given the outline..." and puts the outline into the context.
https://github.com/jasonthorsness/ginprov/blob/main/server/p...Why should making a static brochure website involve coding skill?
I agree. But AI is not needed either.
I have used Weebly in the past, just type in the text, choose pictures and you're done.
Why should people need to understand the markup and JS for a generated static brochure page? That's the premise of this page.
I do, for my pages. But when I write a Word document, I have absolutely no fucking clue what any of the underlying formatting code means. I feel like people forget that for ordinary desktop publishing, HTML/JS is a gigantic step backwards. Getting us back to the status quo of the 1990s, whether it's LLMs or Weebly, would be a very good thing.
Don't we have Wix and Squarespace for that just like we had Dreamweaver in the 1990's?
And nobody besides people working at these companies will be sad to see it go.
Like, I genuinely believe that if we had the developer culture 1991 that we do now in 2025, people would be saying the same thing about Word. Hell, people absolutely do say that about Word. It's just gatekeeping.
Gatekeeping of what? That a service that costs them cents is sold as a subscription model that gets really expensive if you need more than the absolute basics? I am glad LLMs will kill companies like that.
Its ok but i'd be more convinced if instead of real icons it had hallucinated+bespoke SVGs that made me uncomfortable to look at for reasons I can't discern and don't quite look like anything in particular
I tried sending you and email but even your email address is vibe code :(
Not enough tailwind. 6/10.
I was looking at the site and it already has a whole section linking to this comment, from 18 minutes ago, Impressive!:
Wait, Not Enough Tailwind?
Someone said "Not enough tailwind. 6/10." So here's a literal tail in the wind.
[picture of cat, no tail visible, with alt text "Dog with tail blowing in wind"]
This is as close to Tailwind CSS as we're getting on a pure HTML site. But hey, we added rounded corners and shadows, so basically the same thing.
But nobody code reviewed the changes!
They'd have only found a few minor quibbles, why bother.
Okay, I added Tailwind. https://vibe-coded.lol/#tailwind
Already fixed.
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Better mobile support than lots of real web pages though...
I run a design agency and I've invested a lot of time and energy into a general design prompt that puts out some decently unique looking sites.
We offer this as our "Mini" package at a very affordable price ($99/mo, no setup fee) for clients who don't want (or need) a fully custom design.
I'm not sure you can call this "vibe coding" as much as "vibe engineering" because the resulting code closely models the heavily customized components and styling patterns of our other 60+ custom websites, but the following website designs were very heavily "vibe-derived", from a design sense:
- https://thedalaijavacdga.com/
- https://crossroadsflx.com/
- https://privateertattoolounge.com/
They look good to me. Most importantly, the information is clear and easy to understand.
Thanks for the kind words! We really do try to create nice looking, functional, and accessible websites for our clients.
i hate when a midsize restaurant doesn't even have a website, let alone so many don't have uptodate menu... and i understand, when simple websites are priced >5k upfront, that those restaurants don't do it ; vibe-derived could hopefully be a fair-priced solution
Yep! I built the whole business around slightly higher monthly fees with no (or much lower than typical firms) setup fees. It makes a lot more sense for smaller locally owned businesses.
The whole thrust of anti-vibe UI sentiments remind me of when Twitter Bootstrap came out. The unlocks were huge because suddenly people who didn't know how to make nice looking UI didn't have to do much more than drop in a stylesheet link and add some classes. Despite that, everyone complained all web sites started looking the same.
And, sure, that was valid. However, eventually everyone started figuring out how to get a unique look out of Bootstrap while still enjoying the benefits. All our modern frontend component frameworks can trace their lineage back to Bootstrap.
We'll see something similar with vibe UIs. Just a matter of time.
jQuery UI?
It's funny and this timing is perfect - just today two (mostly non-technical) friends, unprompted, sent me two different "projects" they just launched. Both have the same identical and unmistakable AI design with pills and tags and highlights and icons and all that. Both are bland, don't really offer anything deeply novel, but are unmistakably real and perhaps even usable.
On the one hand - I'm actually psyched that mostly nontechnical people have successfully launched their ideas into the world. This would have eaten up time and at least several $thousand previously.
On the other hand, they are both super blah projects.
Date I say it: The AI Slop Web App era has arrived in full force.
It's like how people who say they want to write a book spend all their time on the cover and the page and chapter heading layout before they put any effort into the manuscript.
At the very least it's normal HTML in the browser and not some jumbled bundled minified mess :/
Is the issue that all vibe-coded sites look the same, or that everyone uses the same Bootstrap or Material components? This site does indeed look like every other vibe-coded site, but so does any site using the same component libraries.
These are the style of sites LLMs create when you ask not to use any component libraries.
For some reason they gravitate to this style (and chern out reams of slop CSS to get there).
They really don't like the current trend of large hero graphics across the page so, as others have said, it feels like they're stuck in the last decade.
On the plus site, maybe websites will get faster when they're not weighted down with megabytes of component and JS libraries.
A lot of houses also look the same, but different people live in them. Makes you appreciate the designs that are truly unique, or contemporary, or classic, but most people would rather have any house versus none at all. So to me if a person vibe codes a web site that they otherwise don’t have the time or money to create and the website serves a purpose or brings joy, then cool.
Why are we supposed appreciate unique web design?
The best designed sites I use are those cookie-cutter illegal sports steaming sites because their design is so similar I can navigate them all the same way.
The example you gave is the exception, not the rule. Sharing UX among these streaming sites is expected because they're completely replaceable, and you expect to churn through them as they shut down and pop up again somewhere else. Why would any of them want to change anything up if it might disappear in a week?
People like unique designs because those designs (ideally) exist to cater to the ever-so-slightly different needs, different things that different websites are meant to convey or do. It's not just about being pretty or looking not like everyone else, though some users and designers can mistake it for that.
Even something like video streaming can have lots of variations because there's so many different types of video content to serve. Optimizing for these needs will require making design choices, which will eventually compound in a unique UX. I enjoy websites that are fine-tuned for serving their purpose, and that manage to do so in a simple and performant way. Generic boilerplate designs can work fine on most 'average' websites, but going further requires putting more thought into it.
There’s a streak of meanness in this which is very unappealing.
Aha, a todsacerdoti post. The rule continues to hold!
It's appealing to me. It's time we started mocking mediocrity again. Because it's absolutely everywhere and we don't seem to care anymore.
The website doesn't seem to be created by the same person who submitted the post. The creator is making updates and replying to people about them in this thread.
I didn’t mean to imply that.
No worries, I did know there was a bit of ambiguity so I wanted to clarify it, just because of how common self-posts are on HN.
I do love the random stream of pics at the end.
"Navigation" is so fast what I discovered what this is a single page web-site only after a minute or two.
Survivorship bias at its best
I assume your project directory also looks like this if you used Claude…
index.html
index-working.html
index-revised.html
index-revised-2.html
debug-site-on-mobile-issue.sh
index-backup-2.html
DEBUGGING-RESULTS.md
CLAUDE.md
INSTALLATION-INSTRUCTIONS.md
You're absolutely right. https://vibe-coded.lol/#project-structure
The empty css folder is [chefs kiss]
Not enough purple gradients
I shared your feedback with Claude and it updated the website for you.
We can thank Bootsprap and Tailwind for that
Not nearly enough gradient for a vibe coded site :)
That one in the GDPR pop-up makes me laugh :
By clicking "Accept All" you agree to let us sell your data. By clicking "Reject All" you agree to let us sell your data anyway.
You seem angry.
I think my vibe coded website is for real good! MIDAO.org
I mean the joke should be that this actually the best website design because this is basically where response design peaked.
Convince me a human can actually do better than this. It’s unclear what more is actually required from a website other than this. They point out things like not understanding authentication is bad, but at least the AI won’t develop a fundamentally incorrect idea about it like a human would.
Nobody ever got fired for checking ChatGPT for something that they didn’t know, but plenty of people without it have just made mistakes carefully read documentation and misinterpreting it.
What? This style of site uses 1/3 of the page to display 3 icons. It was definitely a trend, but sites used to contain better information density prior to this marketing style trash site.
Where’s the cookie banner
I got a pop up about selling my soul, I assume that was cookie related?
It showed up when I was halfway down the page. Worth it, made me chuckle
Refresh the page.
I just KNEW it would be purple. This was funny. will share with others.
Man you would have hated the 90s when websites were text and hyperlinks. They all looked the same!
https://www.spacejam.com/1996/jam.html
I loved the 90s. Evenings alternating between playing flash games on nick.com and waiting for the page to load.
Some people tried showing me a website called Google. It sounded like it should be a fun game, but it was really boring. Terrible graphics.
I've vibe-coded a website about vibe coding websites. I used GPT-5 and it inserted an easter egg that was found by a human front-end dev, to my amusement. Easter eggs must be in-distribution!
(No I am not sharing the link as I was downvoted for it before - search for it. Hint: built with vibe)
page looks like vibe-coded. is it?
Author here. It is. Almost one-shotted, in fact. In follow up, I just asked it to add the byline and to add more gradients. 85% the same as the initial one-shot.
I gave it dagusa.com as a reference, which helped a lot, but also gave it a bit of a Bootstrap feel.
I was wondering why there were so many gradients in the CSS, ask and LLMs certainly deliver. /s
Even before vibe coding, most modern sites were doing the same tailwind aesthetic.
You can DM me: twitter.com/jimmykoppel
Or just search around; my contact info is very easy to find.
The prompt should have included "Make it look like Vercel"
This is the most passive aggressive website I've ever seen
I mean...
Vibe coding is just the next dreamweaver....
I would rather have the web be somewhat boring than go back to geocities and myspace style atrocities.
This is missing shadcn ui lib for it to truly be the vibe coded slop we see these days.
Static webpage and not React, but Claude offered to add more of a shadcn aesthetic.
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Guilty.
I vibe coded a non-serious website for my vibe coded OSS project. But I had fun. :)
https://pluqqy.com